Barack Obama and George R.R. Martin are stuck in Submarine on Lockdown and forced to have a deep conversation.

Here's their conversation:

1. Obama: "You know, George, leading a nation is a bit like managing Westeros; everyone thinks they know better than you, and betrayal lurks around every corner."

2. Martin: "Ah, Barack, but at least *your* Red Wedding was metaphorical. Mine, well, let's just say it involved considerably more blood and fewer drone strikes."

3. Obama: "The tough choices, though, those are universal. Balancing idealism with what's actually achievable, it's a constant tightrope walk."

4. Martin: "Achievability? A fine word, but the true art is in making the audience *believe* anything is possible, even in the face of inevitable doom."

5. Obama: "Hope, George, that's the engine. You have to offer people a reason to believe things can get better, even when the Night King is at the gates."

6. Martin: "Hope is a dangerous thing, Barack. It breeds complacency, and complacency gets good men killed, or worse, makes them write bad sequels."

7. Obama: "I understand that sentiment, but ultimately, people are more good than bad. It's about appealing to their better angels, even Cersei's."

8. Martin: "Cersei? Angels? My friend, you are an optimist. I prefer to delve into the glorious, messy, and utterly corruptible heart of humanity."

9. Obama: "Maybe that's the difference between writing history and living it, George. One demands a narrative, the other demands action."

10. Martin: "Indeed. And as we sit here, submerged and locked down, I suspect both of us are contemplating our next move with a heavy heart."